Forum topic: Rail improvements - May or December?
Rail improvements - May or December?
Ian H
06 Feb 2018 08:06 3598
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https://www.pgweb.uk/forum/public-transport/798-2018-timetables-consultation-govia-drop-plan-to-improve-sunday-services
Is anyone aware that the www.transformingrail.com site which published the May 2018 timetable is now down, and the alternative site Railplan2020.com seems to suggest that the major changes to Great Northern (IE. connection to thameslink, increase in service frequency) are pushed back to December?
https://www.railplan2020.com/operators/great-northern-railplan2020
Can anyone shed any light? Very little info on the internet. Seems to have happend with little notification?
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Rail improvements - May or December?
Basil Clarke
06 Feb 2018 22:37 3601
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Dave Cockle is briefing the Enfield Transport Users Group (ETUG) on Great Northern developments (he's part of the ETUG, not a Great Northern employee). I asked him about the situation and this was his reply:
Basil, as far as I’m aware the Hertford Loop timetable stays the same until December.
The planned truncation of the Stevenage/Letchworth service to Hertford North has been deferred until December.
The report about reduction of the "Off Peak” services in the middle of the day, as an aid to service recovery, applied to Southern Railway not Great Northern.
There has been a visual improvement to Palmers Green station by removing the metal grills over the waiting room windows.
The new Class 717 trains are on target to be introduced in December.
The only change to future timetables is that the planned four trains an hour on Sundays has been dropped. The Saturday service will be four trains an hour but two an hour (as present) will be the order of the day on Sundays.
The ETUG meeting is on 12th February: https://www.pgweb.uk/event?meeting-of-enfield-transport-user-group-etug&event_id=5315
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Rail improvements - May or December?
N Morris
07 Feb 2018 09:53 3604
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Surely it's time to pick up the banner again for TfL to take over this route? We seem to be the lowest priority for Govia that has been dealing with the well publicised issues on Southern and focusing on its Thameslink development. I think it's definitely an issue we should petition our Councillors, MP and Mayor about. See the attached article in the Enfield Independent where this issue was highlighted by Joanne McCartney, Labour London Assembly Member for Enfield and Haringey.
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Rail improvements - May or December?
Ian H
09 Feb 2018 07:52 3610
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Also - I don't suppose you know where a copy of the proposed timetable is published? A friend asked so I gave them the link to the transformingrail site but obviously that's down.
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Rail improvements - May or December?
Ian H
09 Feb 2018 08:02 3611
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Govia simply can't offer as good a service for the same money. It's daft to pretend the route can remain privately operated in the long term.
Private enterprise is great in most regards, but it's not appropriate for running rail franchises in my opinion due to the huge cost of infrastructure, long term investment requirements, and it's inherently uncompetitive nature.
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Rail improvements - May or December?
Basil Clarke
09 Feb 2018 18:39 3613
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I don't suppose you know where a copy of the proposed timetable is published? A friend asked so I gave them the link to the transformingrail site but obviously that's down.
I didn't download the timetable when it was available (and it might not have been in downloadable format anyway) and, as you say, the website has disappeared. But I did copy this from the document:
Saturdays
GN4.1 Stevenage to Moorgate via Hertford North
Stevenage, Watton-at-Stone, Hertford North, Cuffley, Gordon Hill, Enfield Chase, Winchmore Hill, Palmers Green, Alexandra Palace, Finsbury Park, Drayton Park, Highbury & Islington, Essex Road, Old Street and Moorgate.
Proposed frequency: 2 trains per hour (every 30 minutes)
GN4.2 Hertford North to Moorgate
Hertford North, Bayford*, Cuffley, Crews Hill*, Gordon Hill, Enfield Chase, Grange Park, Winchmore Hill, Palmers Green, Bowes Park, Alexandra Palace, Hornsey, Harringay, Finsbury Park, Drayton Park, Highbury & Islington, Essex Road, Old Street and Moorgate.
Proposed frequency: 4 trains an hour, every 12-18 minutes (but only 2 trains an hour would serve Bayford and Crews Hill)
Sundays
GN4.1 Stevenage to Moorgate via Hertford North
Stevenage, Watton-at-Stone, Hertford North, Bayford, Cuffley, Crews Hill, Gordon Hill, Enfield Chase, Grange Park, Winchmore Hill, Palmers Green, Bowes Park, Alexandra Palace, Hornsey, Harringay, Finsbury Park, Drayton Park, Highbury & Islington, Essex Road, Old Street and Moorgate.
Proposed frequency: 2 trains per hour (every 30 minutes)
I did download the document used in the first phase of the consultation and you can read it at https://www.pgweb.uk/images/2016/documents/2018_timetable_consultation.pdf
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Rail improvements - May or December?
Basil Clarke
09 Feb 2018 18:51 3614
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See https://web.archive.org/web/20170722001235/https://www.transformingrail.com
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Rail improvements - May or December?
Basil Clarke
09 Feb 2018 19:03 3615
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Phase 1 consultation information sheet published September 2016
Phase 1 consultation results
Phase 3 proposed Sunday timetable
Phase 3 weekend services consultation document
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